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What pprune is saying this week. This thread was locked down as likewise three previous threads raising serious issues about windfarms and the inherent aviation dangers of these structures.

Old 20th May 2015, 11:06   #1 (permalink)
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I see that the current Select Committee on Wind Turbines sat again yesterday in Canberra. I also see that this matter wouldappearto be far from over with some 471 submissions provided thus far for the committee’s consideration.From reading some of these submissions it isquite clear that the issue of wind turbines and the varying positive and negative benefits or detractorsrelating to sameare being taken quite seriously. From an aviation perspective in particular submission 30 provides some insight into the issues surrounding theCrookwell aerodrome (NSW). The author of this submission, (who iswell known and highly respected within the industry) has certainly put the committee on notice as set out in the following quote from the closing page of his submission…

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It is my firm belief that it is not a matter of “if”, it’s a matter of “when” there will be a fatal accident involving the collision of an aircraft or helicopter operating from a rural airport.

I read somewhere in another post that someone alluded to the fact that there are no “old or bold” pilots. I’m not so sure about that as quite clearly such pilots have alot to offer…..

No doubt there’ll be more to come regarding this topic as the hearing continues…..

Stiky


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Old 20th May 2015, 13:01   #2 (permalink)
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At 432 metres elevation I’m surprised that nobody has ever run into the Omega tower in Gippsland, Victoria, based on the comments in the article above.It had been there for 32 years and has just been demolished. It was harder to see than a wind farm turbine is exponentially, plus it had guide wires that gave it a significantly large footprint, as much as several wind turbines and it was even adjacent an RAAF low flying area.
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Old 20th May 2015, 13:58   #3 (permalink)
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I would imagine there is some other motives, it can’t be just the hazard.I am not defending wind farms either….I think they are an eyesore and not a particularly good energy solution.
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Old 20th May 2015, 14:20   #4 (permalink)
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As a pilot who works below 500ft everyday, i think that the wind turbines themselves arent a huge hazard. Its the monitoring towers placed on or in the general area (or just at random wherever they thought was a good site) that pose the greatest risk to safe aviation. These things are basically unmarked (except the smallest of marker balls that you have to be within 100m of to see) and unlit. On any given day the are almost invisible to the human eye, even when you know they are there……somewhere!!!!Whether they are a safe, environmentally friendly way to produce power, well………………….depends on which ‘expert’ you believe.
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Old 20th May 2015, 18:39   #5 (permalink)
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If anyone hits a wind turbine, the first post accident action is that they should have their licence taken off them!
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Old 20th May 2015, 20:22   #6 (permalink)
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Oh god. Who cares?
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Old 20th May 2015, 20:56   #7 (permalink)
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those pesky tall buildings in capital cities should also be banned!
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Old 20th May 2015, 21:11   #8 (permalink)
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Alright, which one of you gave Don Quixote a licence?
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Old 21st May 2015, 06:51   #9 (permalink)
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Alright, which one of you gave Don Quixote a licence?

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Old 21st May 2015, 10:16   #10 (permalink)
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I would imagine there is some other motives, it can’t be just the hazard.I am not defending wind farms either….I think they are an eyesore and not a particularly good energy solution.

From a house and hangar a community that had preistage views to a community that is devided by those that have and those that don’t. To now poeple that won’t them of their land. Poeple that are now sick can’t sleep can’t work on their own property’s can’t sell their places can’t live in their places have their places devalued by half .

Yep vested interest.

One word.
Moron

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Unread 21st May 2015, 11:11   #11 (permalink)
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Crookwell wind turbine facts.Each turbine is 450 feetagl. Dia of the blades is 100 meters.100 meters is a foot ball field.Now work out at a 12 knot wind speed tip speed.

Look at take off speed of say a 747. Wing length.
Tip vortices

8 deaths in the USA from a direct hit from a blade/ tower
18 accidents from guild wire hits.

Now these don’t produce power more than 30% of the time.

These turbines are constant vortices.

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Unread 21st May 2015, 11:41   #12 (permalink)
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Definition of vested interest.Get on a forum let’s say aviation.
Convince everyone they need a product.
Let’s say Mmm run lop.
Oh I run a course on lop.
Charge people to go to the course.
Provide no data lead with miss truths about engine o/h time etc.
not have the course recognized because it’s not approved.
Not approved because the data not approved.
Next time shite comes out of your mouth get your facts first. The gentleman you refer too have more credibility in his little toe than you will ever have.
But because you live in Sydney Melbroune or Brisbane f anyone that lives in the bush. F them as they have no rights. Well f u.
You think I’m up set well yes. Do I have a right. F yes I do.
When you have done what he has done or just part off it then feel free to make comment.
As for vested interest he didn’t wish to see anyone hurt.
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21st May 2015, 11:54   #13 (permalink)
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CAAct 9A and a proper safety case

The matter is aboutwhether or not casa is properly looking at wind turbine proposals and that is where the senators are leading the questioning.casa have not properly answered the questions on 19th May 2015 and that is the underlying issue.

Ask KSA whether approval was given for a hotel to protrude into the overlying airspace and issues of safety??

Answer is by 3metres.

Ask casa about intrusions into Canberra airspace by Goulburn skydivers and issues of safety??

Answer is, never met a safety case.

AND you want us to go on?

This is not casa bashing lookleft/ tintillbilla, but the raising of safety concerns by the community and the hiding of them by casa.

No doubt CAAct 9A applies hare and has not been met.


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