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Is #casa trying to improve or defuse the #asrr??

Is #casa trying to improve or defuse the #asrr??

#casa is calling for an extension of the Mildura “talkfest”, of which there was no agenda handed out, nor notes distributed to attendees.


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Jandakot WA Nov 4 2015 6.00-7.30pm Royal Aero Club WA


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Sunfish’s public post [from #pprune], bears a read for a real way forward.

12th Sep 2015, 07:16   #22 (permalink)
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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I thank Dick Smith for his well meaning efforts but I suggest that he has missed the first link in his chain of reasoning. The cost, complexity and confusion of Australian aviation regulation destroy opportunities for investment, growth and jobs in the AUstralian aviation industry.

The litmus test for all legislation and regulation regarding aviation is to ask the question:

“How will this regulatory action affect Jobs, investment and Growth in the aviation industry?”.

If this is not done then the GA sector, and later Experimental and Recreational aviation is just going to wither and die.

With respect to Itsnotthatbloodyhard, I think you do not appreciate the situation:

I can’t see where Dick is making any such point at all, nor that there’s any evidence that Skidmore doesnt or won’t listen. He mightn’t be doing exactly what Dick & his cheer squad want, but that’s not the same as refusing to listen. As for this being a proper forum for airing these concerns, I think you’re having a lend of yourself if you think venting on here achieves anything beyond gratifying the cheer squad.

Aviation has been subject to a raft of reviews, the latest being the Forsyth Review, and they all say substantially the same thing: the system is broken. Every alphabet organisation in the country and hundreds of well meaning individuals have spent Twenty years of their own time and money on any number of consultations and patient attempts to get some sanity into the system and have received SFA! That is why we are reduced to squealing on PPRuNe! There is nothing left to do except start a political pressure group to declare war on CASA and what it stands for which is corruption, inefficiency and bias. It is an industry funded parasite.

We now have the situation where CASA decided to go the full EASA micro managed complexity route of aviation regulation in the name of “conformity” without any consideration of how that might affect industry, even though blind freddy knows that the Europeans have tied themselves up in regulatory knots so complex and expensive that GA is Europe is mega expensive where it occurs at all.

To put it another way:

What is CASAs reaction to EASA’s decision to substantially reduce the regulatory burden on GA after it became apparent that its regulatory approach is going to kill it?


This is no time for “tinkering around the edges”, we are not having “a few teething troubles”. The system is rooted and nothing is going to fix it. The system is run for the benefit of the bureaucrats that run it. Their ‘customers” are risk averse politicians in Canberra. We are just “consumers’ who get fed this ____ every day.

Now I must go and write to Airservices to get the aircraft noise “Certificate that says I am exempt from needing a certificate”. I already paid $700 to learn how to write a maintenance release. I am up for a new ASIC, medical, biannual flight review and a $2500 transponder. Luckily I don’t run a business or have required any special permissions from CASA or the costs would run much higher.

To put that yet another way: Why in hells name would any Governmennt approve of a regulator charging by the hour to “consider” an application for anything? Don’t they understand that it is an open invitation to inefficiency?

As for AVM Skidmore, I’m sure he means well but the bureaucrats will wait him out. Even if a few heads are lopped, the structure of the system, wording of regulations, delegation of approvals, financial controls, etc. etc. have been set up for the benefit of a few bureaucrats, not the industry, and new appointees will succumb to temptation as quickly as a trade union official.

If I had my way, I would go to PM & C and confess.

Then with their advice, set up a tiger team with no CASA involvement to adapt the NZ/FAA regulations to Australia n produce the legislative and regulatory package.
I would get some organisation design girls to split up CASA and separate rule making from enforcement and ensure the independence of ATSB and incorporate that split up into the legislative package.
I would then get the legislation passed, with transitional provisions and make everyone in CASA reapply for jobs in the new organisations.
The guiding principles of the new legislation?
Safety, fostering the development of the industry and an end to rule by “exemption”.

Last edited by Sunfish; 12th Sep 2015 at 07:38.


11th Sep 2015, 11:37   #1 (permalink)
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The General Aviation Industry is Being Destroyed

In an article in this morning’s Australian newspaper under the heading “CASA Boss to Tackle Regulation Problems” (reproduced in entirety below) there is absolutely no mention of the real problem with the new rules – and that is the cost increases that result from these new rules.

Let me quote some of the comments,

“complaints continue about the implementation of the previous rule packages……anomalies raised by the regulations have already been introduced.

…..conceded the authority had not done well with implementing the new rules”

It’s as if Mr Skidmore, because of his military background, has no idea that the problem with the new regulations is the drastically increased costs that come from them. The general aviation industry is being destroyed and because of this.

I wonder if Mr Skidmore has been told by the Minister “whatever you do, don’t mention cost.” Then again, if you’re from a military system that could lose $1.4 billion of taxpayers’ money on the Super Seasprite project and hold no one accountable and no doubt promote the people that were involved, you can see what happens.

I don’t think Mr Skidmore understands that it won’t matter how much more consultation you take, if you won’t admit that the problem is higher costs compared to our competitor countries you actually get nowhere. Here in the article it says,

“on the problems with recently implemented regulations Mr Skidmore said “I don’t think we’ve sorted it out too well at this stage.”

Note once again, no mention of cost.

I predict that things will get worse and worse. I suggest to everyone that they get out of aviation as soon as you can, sell your planes because you are going to be in for huge losses in the future. Here is the full article…

The Civil Aviation Safety Authority is poised to launch an online tool and hold a series of meetings in an attempt to avoid the problems that have dogged the implementation of new aviation rules and upset many in the flying community.

The programme is here:

Have your say on how CASA implements future regulations

CASA is implementing a program of regulation reform designed to enhance aviation safety, address known risks and maintain the reputation of Australia’s aviation industry as one of the safest in the world. We’re currently reviewing the way the program is delivered, and we want your feedback.

Many new rules are already in place, such as the rules relating to flight crew licensing, maintenance and fatigue management. Proposed new rules relate to flight operations, limited category aircraft operations, aerodromes and sports aviation.

To help inform our review, we want to hear your ideas about the implementation of future regulations.

This is your chance to have a conversation with CASA’s new Regulation Reform Program Manager about the timing of future regulations, the rate and impact of change on the aviation community, alternative ways to introduce and transition to new rules and how CASA can assist you through the process.

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Launceston TAS Sep 8, 2015 4.00-5.30pm

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Sydney NSW Sep 17, 2015 7.30-9.30am Novotel  Sydney

The Grand Parade

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Moorabbin VIC Oct 8, 2015 6.30-8.00pm Dingley International Motel

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Hobart TAS Oct 15, 2015 6.30-8.00pm Best Western

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Archerfield QLD Oct 28, 2015 6.00-7.30pm TBC
Cairns QLD Oct 29, 2015  12.30-2.00pm TBC
Jandakot WA Nov  4, 2015 7.00-8.30pm TBC
Perth WA Nov  5, 2015 7.30-9.00am TBC
Adelaide SA Nov  9, 2015 6.30-8.00pm TBC


CASA boss Mark Skidmore to hold meetings on regulation problems

The Civil Aviation Safety Authority is poised to launch an online tool and hold a series of meetings in an attempt to avoid the problems that have dogged the ­implementation of new aviation rules and upset many in the flying community.

Complaints continue about the implementation of previous rule packages, particularly the Part 61 pilot licensing and Part 141/142 flight training regulations.

CASA chief Mark Skidmore is keen to avoid a repeat of problems as new rules are rolled out in areas such as flight regulations, air transport operations, sports aviation and limited category aircraft operations.

He is also diverting more resources inside CASA to try some of the issues and anomalies raised by the regulations that have already been introduced.

Mr Skidmore conceded the authority had not done well with implementing new rules in the past and needed to work out how to do it better into the future.

“The other part of it is if we look at the regs that we still have remaining there’s about 12 and some of them are significant,’’ he said. “What I want to do — well want and need I guess, you can probably put them together — is work with the aviation community to actually understand what’s the best timeline for these.’’

He said some people wanted new regulations implemented immediately while others said they were unable to handle the pace.

“And my own resources are actually fairly stretched with regards to actually implementing them so I want to get a better idea. Before I come out with it I’d like to talk to people and get a better idea of how we can do this.’’

CASA is holding a series of consultation meetings starting this month in Launceston, Hobart, Moorabbin, Darwin, Albury, Bankstown and Brighton Le Sands in Sydney.
It is also launching an online consultation tool in the coming weeks that will allow members of the aviation community to be part of the consultation process.

“It’s not just for this, but I see it as an opportunity into the future … for other areas like Flight Planning 2030 forums that I’m having,’’ Mr Skidmore said. “We’ll have an opportunity for people to be able to feed in information to us without actually having to be there for the forums.

“I also want to try and get to is a stage where we’ll have feedback available on the websites as well.’’

On the problems with recently implemented regulations, Mr Skidmore said: “I don’t think we’ve sorted it out too well at this stage so I’ve actually told my team that I want to get more focus on (Parts) 61, 141, 142.

“I’m actually taking some resources off other areas and putting them together and saying let’s get some more focus on to this and let’s make sure we solve these concerns.’’
Mr Skidmore was appointed last year in the wake of the Aviation Safety Regulation Review as part of moves to mend the fractured relationship between CASA and the aviation industry by fostering greater consultation.

The review headed by former Qantas executive David Forysth found the regulator’s ‘‘hardline approach” to enforcement was inappropriate and had led to a lack of trust between CASA and operators.

The government also brought in new CASA board members, ­appointed industry veteran Jeff Boyd as chairman and issued a fresh statement of expectations to the authority. The process continued yesterday with the appointment to the board of Philippa Stone, a lawyer with experience on the Airservices Australia board and with the International Air Services Commission.

Mr Skidmore said the regulator was also “rolling on whole bunch of different programs to try to get, I think, better communication and consultation with the industry’’.
He said he been out in the ­aviation community attempting to get an understanding of ­people’s concerns.

“It is important that we understand how it’s going to impact people,’’ he said. “I don’t want to roll things out there to people without understanding what it really means to them because that just doesn’t make any sense to me.

The CASA boss is aware that he will not be able to please everyone. “There will still be some people who won’t be happy because they’ll complain it should have been done earlier, it should have been done later — you’ll never come up with the absolute sweet, perfect solutions but we’ll do the best we damn well can.’’




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